[p4] What is a "Shelf"

[Robert Cowham]

Sparse branching is also a potential solution for this sort of thing (and
shelving), though it needs wrappers around it to make it easier.

Robert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com 
> [mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grills
> Sent: 17 May 2007 04:05
> To: karish at well.com; Jamie.Echlin at barclayscapital.com
> Cc: perforce-user at perforce.com
> Subject: Re: [p4] What is a "Shelf"
> 
> 
> I'm not sure that's always possible, and certainly not always 
> affordable.
> I've seen an environment with 120,000+ files per branch, and 
> integrations between branches that took 10-15 minutes and 
> basically locked up the server during that time.  This was a 
> couple of years ago, so perhaps newer versions of p4d handle 
> huge integrations more gracefully now.  Does anyone do 
> integrations of that magnitude with significantly better 
> performance these days?  It would be nice to know, since I 
> can foresee a time in the not-so-distant future when the 
> project I am currently working on reaches that size and we 
> start creating branches for test candidates.
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't mind an operation like that taking 10 
> minutes if the server was otherwise responsive during that time. 
> 
> j
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com
> [mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Karish
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:06 AM
> To: Jamie.Echlin at barclayscapital.com
> Cc: perforce-user at perforce.com
> Subject: Re: [p4] What is a "Shelf"
> 
> 
> I'll hazard a guess that your team needs a more powerful 
> server system.
> More memory, more and faster processors.  If branching works 
> well for you, get the resources you need to be able to use it.
> 
> On 5/15/07, Jamie.Echlin at barclayscapital.com 
> <Jamie.Echlin at barclayscapital.com> wrote:
> > The reason we are introducing shelving is because of performance 
> > issues with traditional private branches. A certain very 
> large library 
> > here has about 120 private branches, and each integ and 
> preview integ 
> > is taking up to 10 minutes, during which time the perforce 
> server is 
> > unavailable to everyone else.