[p4] Mailing list question - posts seem to take longer thanexpected to show through list

Thu Nov 8 07:25:27 PST 2007

Way back in the Precambrian era back when being online meant having an
account with CompuServe, I worked as a developer for a medical billing
company.  We had installed modems on all of our clients because we
were using Kermit to help update our software and do remote
maintenance (I mentioned this, so you understand how long ago this
was).

One of the biggest headaches for our clients was submitting insurance
claims. Each company had a different form, and even people who worked
for the same company and had the same insurance may have their forms
submitted to two entirely different addresses. We got the idea that
maybe we could convince the insurers to take electronic claims
submission, and finally convinced one of the biggest insurers to try a
pilot project.

After about six months of programming and testing, we gave our doctors
the release and had them submit the claims. The insurer was thrilled
at this jet age innovation and invited us down to show us their
operation.

In one corner was the modem that doctors called to download their
patients' claims. It was attached to a reel-to-reel data storage
machine that recorded the claims onto a tape (It was obsolete even
back then) as the modem downloaded the data. Every once in a while,
the tape would be taken off and put on a mini-computer that was
attached to a printer. The computer would read the reel-to-reel tape,
and printed out the information onto standard paper insurance forms.
The company then took these paper forms and passed them down to their
data entry pool to enter them into their system.

On Nov 7, 2007 4:53 PM, Greg Whitfield
<Greg.Whitfield at lightworkdesign.com> wrote:
> It's been a problem with this mailing list for as long as I can
> remember. The interval between send and receive can be many hours. I
> guess that's why we get so many replies to the same question saying the
> same thing - people just don't see the "earlier" replies.
>
> As to why, I guess that's a question for Perforce.
>
> But I do recall a story that could explain it. Several years ago an
> acquaintance of mine was hired by a Mid-East government to advise on
> improving internet access for the state. He was quite surprised to see
> the central government email gateway was a roomful of women who retyped
> every incoming email from abroad - censoring as appropriate - before
> passing on a paper copy to the intended recipient. As a result
> turnaround time was measured in hours or even days.
>
> The story may be apophrical, of course :)   But imagine the carnage when
> spam started to get popular!
>
> Greg
> ~~~~
>
> Sent 21:55 GMT.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com
> [mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of Looney, James B
> Sent: 07 November 2007 15:07
> To: Perforce Users Mailing List
> Subject: [p4] Mailing list question - posts seem to take longer
> thanexpected to show through list
>
>
> Why is it that posts seem to take a very, very, very long time to show
> back up through the mailing list?
>
> - Below, Jay's email shows that he sent it on 11/06/2007 at 11:05am.
> - I received that email through the Perforce mailing list at 3:15pm.
> - I responded at 3:28pm (the email below shows 2:28pm, so I'm guessing
> there's a time zone change somewhere).
> - My email didn't show up on the list until 11/07/2007 at 12:46am.
>
> Even looking at the times +/- one hour (for time zone changes), it still
> takes a very long time for those emails to make it through.  Anyone know
> why it takes so long?  When I post through any Python mailing list, it
> shows up in about 5 minutes.
>
> (Just because I'm curious...) I'm sending this 11/07/2007 at 8:04am,
> Mountain time.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com
> > [mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of Looney, James
>
> > B
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:28 PM
> > To: Jay Glanville; Perforce Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [p4] (no subject)
> >
> > Why not use a trigger to check the LineEnd value when the user
> > creates/edits the workspace?  That'd cover future workspace
> > creation/updates, although it's fairly easy to write a script that can
>
> > also go through all clients checking the LineEnd value and either
> > reporting or changing it.
> >
> > -James
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com
> > > [mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jay Glanville
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:05 AM
> > > To: Perforce Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: [p4] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > What, in your opinion, is the best way to prevent users from
> > > submitting text files that use the 'wrong' (ie: Window's CR/LF) line
>
> > > ending style?
> > >
> > > I've told all my P4 users that they should be using the 'share' line
>
> > > ending property for their workspaces, but there's always one in a
> > > bunch who'll forget.
> > >
> > > My first thought was to write a trigger that would check all text
> > > files on check in, but that might get a little onerous on the
> > > server, especially when creating a new branch with 17,000 files in
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions I haven't thought of?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > JDG
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Jay Dickon Glanville
> > >
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