[p4] Scripting P4win.

[Ivey, William]

I've never understood the emphasis on P4V myself. Since 97% of
my users interact with Perforce only from Windows, and the rest
use the command line or run scripts, the cross-platform aspect
is pretty useless to us. (Our products are heavily cross-platform,
not our developers.) A crisp, reliable GUI with native feel is
much more important in terms of the developer's experience.

Those who do use it (usually out of loyalty to all things Java
based :-) don't make use of any of its special abilities. (I
find the few things P4Win does better to be more useful, day to
day.)

I did like the admin tool, but it was buggy and I've gone back
to the command line for admin tasks. (I'll probably try it
again and see if the recent patches made it less frustrating.)

Just my experience and preference.

-Wm


-----Original Message-----
From: perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com
[mailto:perforce-user-bounces at perforce.com] On Behalf Of Jim Tilander

So what's it for, well. I'd like to track what each clientspec is
doing, what kind of operations they've done and basically go back in
time from the client's point of view. I guess I could do with just a
server command that would dump the whole clientspec state for me. I
basically don't want to roll out my own client, nor to "train" anyone
to do a custom sync option (that way lies endless support :)

As for p4win, the day that perforce stops distributing that piece of
software is the day I stop using perforce. It's the one redeeming UI
client, p4v is a sea of usability misunderstandings and confusion
(hey, I get confused in there, and I fancy myself somewhat familiar
with perforce, how can I expect a new user to have any chance?). I
can't make odds and ends of that thing, and it made the fatal try to
support multiple platforms within one (gui) toolkit. Cross platform
only means that it's equally crappy on each platform. No, give me a
native client, one that looks and feels like the platform I'm on.

Furthermore, it is my opinion that p4win should be officially supported.

/j